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what does obama need to do? >> president obama is leadion in the polls nationally now and leading in the swing states so the question is how do you reaffirm the existing status quo, in a sense the sale has been made. and he is just there not to seeking any short of dramatic moment. he just wants this thing to happen and be history. for mitt romney i think the problem is and i think this came out in your interview, >> gretchen: chris, suddenly you hear the republicans talking about a choice election. bill kristol said look you got to go at obama's record and make it not only about what he has done in the past but what he is likely to do in the future. that is what the prescription will be for the republicans. most people will watch the debate and a lot of people will watch. they think about 50 million people. a huge audience. if those people come together table are going to make up their mind that would be one thing. most of those people have already made up their minds. i think they are watching for the human mo
what does obama need to do? >> president obama is leadion in the polls nationally now and leading in the swing states so the question is how do you reaffirm the existing status quo, in a sense the sale has been made. and he is just there not to seeking any short of dramatic moment. he just wants this thing to happen and be history. for mitt romney i think the problem is and i think this came out in your interview, >> gretchen: chris, suddenly you hear the republicans talking about a...
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the romney campaign is touting president obama's natural gifts and the extensive seasoning under the bright lights of the bright stage. today, in a mock debate, senator john kerry dismissed the idea that the republican nominee is an inexperienced debater, pointing to more than 20 debates. >> oh please, just give me 20 breaks, not just one. >> reporter: but analysts saying given the state of the race, the burden may be on the challenger. >> he has to do something to get people to take a deep breath, and say wait a minute, well, i thought i made a decision about supporting the president but maybe i better look a second time at mitt romney, that is what he needs to do. >> reporter: and one other thing on today's flight this evening, mitt romney said that people tend to during the debates, focus on the small things, like the color of one's tie, or even dramatic one-liners. but if he can get a handle on the debate, he is confident he will win this thing. >> all right, in a suburb outside minneapolis a community is reeling after a man who was fired from his job yesterday morning returned t
the romney campaign is touting president obama's natural gifts and the extensive seasoning under the bright lights of the bright stage. today, in a mock debate, senator john kerry dismissed the idea that the republican nominee is an inexperienced debater, pointing to more than 20 debates. >> oh please, just give me 20 breaks, not just one. >> reporter: but analysts saying given the state of the race, the burden may be on the challenger. >> he has to do something to get people...
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obama is mr. cool. trip him up and you have a chance. >> this is not jealous that can be contained. >> the and -- this is not a challenge that can be contained. >> united states is engaging in a policy of bullying. >> some are engaging the absurd notion that a nuclear-arm iraned -- nuclear-armed iran would stabilize the middle east. yeah, right. >> president obama is being criticized for having time to appear on "the view" but not meet with prime minister netanyahu. your question -- why didn't they come out with that right off the bat? >> the attack happened five days after the charlotte convention. democrats had to climb over and over again, spike the football 100 times over killing osama bin laden. that was the one achievement, and the implication is that he was the guy who took care of al eda. you have the sacking at the u.s. embassy, the killing of the ambassador. the administration did not on that story to coexist with their theme and how great an anti terror policy obama had. they deceived the cou
obama is mr. cool. trip him up and you have a chance. >> this is not jealous that can be contained. >> the and -- this is not a challenge that can be contained. >> united states is engaging in a policy of bullying. >> some are engaging the absurd notion that a nuclear-arm iraned -- nuclear-armed iran would stabilize the middle east. yeah, right. >> president obama is being criticized for having time to appear on "the view" but not meet with prime minister...
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president obama has an advantage. but his vote has to come out. i remember in the kerry campaign in 2004, we had this enormous rally, all of this momentum. it looked like ohio was going to change the outcome of the election. it ended up where bush flipped it on election day. it was shocking. also on election day i remember back to 2000 where the gore campaign wrote off ohio. the election tightened considerably to where they regretted that they didn't play in ohio right up until the end. so ohio can break your heart. it can resurrect your campaign. my advice to president obama is not just keep coming to ohio which is good that he is. i think he's been to ohio already 29 times but also the ground game, get the vote out. that's really going to be the determining factor. >> jennifer: well, for sure. and there's a lot of reports out there that the republican ground game is extremely strong as well. so nobody can take anything for granted. one of the interesting tensions on the republican side is the sort of schism between what mitt romney is selling in
president obama has an advantage. but his vote has to come out. i remember in the kerry campaign in 2004, we had this enormous rally, all of this momentum. it looked like ohio was going to change the outcome of the election. it ended up where bush flipped it on election day. it was shocking. also on election day i remember back to 2000 where the gore campaign wrote off ohio. the election tightened considerably to where they regretted that they didn't play in ohio right up until the end. so ohio...
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question is the honesty of the obama administration. this was deception on the part of the administration and sending susan rice to say this is spontaneous demonstration when you reported it was known inside the administration within a day it was not. it was a terror attack. why did they deceive? of course. the attack took place five days after the democrats had spent a week in charlotte. out thing, spiking the football on usama and since it's the only foreign policy achievement of four years they repeat it over and over again. the triumph over al-qaeda. in a week, al-qaeda sacks a u.s. embassy, kills an ambassador and administration did not want to admit it. it spent a week deceiving americans to think it's about demonstration and film. thinking i think correctly that if it strung it out long enough the media would let it slide. and now it's obvious and true, nobody will care, i guarantee you. this is not a headline in the mainstream -- >> bret: i'll point out that the president and secretary clinton spoke about this video at the memor
question is the honesty of the obama administration. this was deception on the part of the administration and sending susan rice to say this is spontaneous demonstration when you reported it was known inside the administration within a day it was not. it was a terror attack. why did they deceive? of course. the attack took place five days after the democrats had spent a week in charlotte. out thing, spiking the football on usama and since it's the only foreign policy achievement of four years...
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four years ago, when john mcgain and barack obama had their first debate, obama was up 50-45 before the debate when it was said and done he was up 51-45. four years earlier when kerry and bush went at it, kerry won the first debate, no impact on the horse race numbers the only thing that changed this gives a good perspective, after kerry won the debate, kerry supporters said debates are really important. bush supporters said, not so much. >> gregg: i want to go back to what you pointed out. i remember it well the carter-reagan debate in 1980. democrats and carter had tried to portray ronald reagan as this crazy actor with dangerous views going to create armageddon in the cold war with the soviets. suddenly, america tens of millions of americans tuned into the debates and they said wait a minute, this guy is likeable, making a lot of sense -- >> charming, right. >> gregg: let's compare that to today. the president has been trying to, with attack ads demonize mitt romney as this sort of horrible businessman. might this debate be comeable? -- compareable? >> the debate in '80 was one week
four years ago, when john mcgain and barack obama had their first debate, obama was up 50-45 before the debate when it was said and done he was up 51-45. four years earlier when kerry and bush went at it, kerry won the first debate, no impact on the horse race numbers the only thing that changed this gives a good perspective, after kerry won the debate, kerry supporters said debates are really important. bush supporters said, not so much. >> gregg: i want to go back to what you pointed...
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and obama has a tendency to ramble. i think that's going to be interesting to watch. >> i think the reality is that when the challenger gets the opportunity, to stand on the same stage, feet from the president of the united states and go toe to toe and offer without a media filter, a devastating critique of his failed leadership over the last four years, it's going to make a difference in this race. >> one of the things, ralph, if i can interrupt. this is something that romney says he wants to do in the debates. he had a conversation with "good morning america" about that. let me play a portion and have you respond. >> i think he's going to say a lot of things that aren't accurate. i think that the challenge that i'll have in the debate is that the president tends to how shall i say it? say things that aren't true. and in attacking his opponents. >> give me an example of what he would want to attack. what the president has done, and how you think romney will handle it. >> well i think president obama has, and i want to
and obama has a tendency to ramble. i think that's going to be interesting to watch. >> i think the reality is that when the challenger gets the opportunity, to stand on the same stage, feet from the president of the united states and go toe to toe and offer without a media filter, a devastating critique of his failed leadership over the last four years, it's going to make a difference in this race. >> one of the things, ralph, if i can interrupt. this is something that romney says...
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obama: i enjoyed it. >> chris: don't be a stranger. >> president barack obama: i won't. >> chris: but that was april 27, 2008. it has now been 1,617 days since the president's last appearance and, although senator biden appeared on fox news sunday 35 times, it has been 1,841 days since the vice president last talked with us. in the meantime, we and you have had a lot of questions that have gone unanswered. we'll invite them, again, for next sunday. up next, with the first presidential debate now three days away, we'll ask our sunday group what to look for, wednesday night. ♪ it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy. but we've got to be careful how we get it. design the wells to be safe. thousands of jobs. use the most advanced technology to protect our water. billions in the economy. at chevron, if we can't do it right, we won't do it at all. we've got to think long term. we've got to think long term. ♪ we've got to think long term. we've got to think long term. thank you, mr. speaker, uh, members of congress. in celebration of over 75 years of our g
obama: i enjoyed it. >> chris: don't be a stranger. >> president barack obama: i won't. >> chris: but that was april 27, 2008. it has now been 1,617 days since the president's last appearance and, although senator biden appeared on fox news sunday 35 times, it has been 1,841 days since the vice president last talked with us. in the meantime, we and you have had a lot of questions that have gone unanswered. we'll invite them, again, for next sunday. up next, with the first...
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president obama yesterday telling the u.n. assembly that america will get to the bottom of the murders of chris stevens and the others. >> the attack on civilians in benghazi were attacks on america. there should be no doubt we will be relentless tracking down the killers and bringing them to justice. bill: how possible is that while order in libya is still unknown? we want to begin our coverage now. greg palkot streaming live out of tripoli. what is the latest on this militia crackdown there, greg? >> reporter: bill, martha, we're getting mixed signals about that. we were just talking to our contact in benghazi. he said one of the key militias in that city is it falling into line with the government. we've been out and about here in tripoli. we visited one compound where militias were driven out by libyan security forces but there are new protests planned for here and in benghazi on friday. a sign maybe the folks here aren't too sure what is going on with the militias. amid new concerns some of their weapons are going into th
president obama yesterday telling the u.n. assembly that america will get to the bottom of the murders of chris stevens and the others. >> the attack on civilians in benghazi were attacks on america. there should be no doubt we will be relentless tracking down the killers and bringing them to justice. bill: how possible is that while order in libya is still unknown? we want to begin our coverage now. greg palkot streaming live out of tripoli. what is the latest on this militia crackdown...
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his ads -- you impair his tads to obama -- compare his ads to obama. obama's ads are tough, well done, and on message. pounding the daylights out of him, and romney's or -- >> sean: i don't get it. i don't know why we're not seeing more pounding by him. do you think it starts next wednesday in colorado? >> sometimes he says positive things about obama. he cares about the middle class. no, barack obama doesn't care about the middle class. if he cared about the middle class, he wouldn't be putting through obama tax hikes on people in the middle class. >> let me just say that next wednesday night, this is it. they need to turn this campaign around. debates are vehicles of challengers. this is his chance to do this. >> sean: we need the mitt romney that showed up after losing south carolina, where he went into that state up double digits, and came out winning by double digits -- i'm sorry -- lost by double digits, then went to florida and had two debates with newt, that's the romney i want. >> the one-on-one debate forum is not necessarily president obama'
his ads -- you impair his tads to obama -- compare his ads to obama. obama's ads are tough, well done, and on message. pounding the daylights out of him, and romney's or -- >> sean: i don't get it. i don't know why we're not seeing more pounding by him. do you think it starts next wednesday in colorado? >> sometimes he says positive things about obama. he cares about the middle class. no, barack obama doesn't care about the middle class. if he cared about the middle class, he...
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how important is it that mitt romney gets under the skin of barack obama barack obama get under the skin of mitt romney and it will show to the audience? >> audiences reported they take as much as 65% of the meaning from how something is said over what is said. so body language and how he appears on the stage is very important. normally when a candidate gets defensive that is when they started looking bad. that happens with barack obama. it happened when he told hillary she was like have likable enough. it happened with mitt romney when he did the $10,000 bet with governor perry. it's very important that governor romney keeps making the case about the economy and keep pushing an alternative vision that the american people can see as a better path and a better way forward to improving the economic conditions. if he does that he will put the president on the defensive. if he allows the president to sort divide the audience, talk about women and myth of the war on women and talk about the middle-class and divide the country and gets on the defensive or talk about issues that are irrelevant
how important is it that mitt romney gets under the skin of barack obama barack obama get under the skin of mitt romney and it will show to the audience? >> audiences reported they take as much as 65% of the meaning from how something is said over what is said. so body language and how he appears on the stage is very important. normally when a candidate gets defensive that is when they started looking bad. that happens with barack obama. it happened when he told hillary she was like have...
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think president obama joked about hurting his back from picking this up. the freak 2's weight was equalled to ♪ >> these brown bears would find the freak 2 freaking delicious. >> that's it for us. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >>> knowingly wrong and out of date. that describes the intelligence give p as talking points to government officials days after the attack in libya. is there any way this could add up? mike rogers is "outfront" tonight. plus, the l word. that's what both candidates are being called. liars. is this what we should expect wednesday night? and the attack was detected and foiled, but it was on our top secret nuclear trigger. let's dpo "outfront." "outfront" tonight, the buck stops at the white house. cnn has learned that the white house chose to leave out key intelligence from the attack on americans in libya. now, there were three things u.s. intelligence has confirmed to be tree. the attacks were preplanned, terrorist attacks and the work of al-qaeda linked groups. intelligence expert who has worked in the pentagon for tw
think president obama joked about hurting his back from picking this up. the freak 2's weight was equalled to ♪ >> these brown bears would find the freak 2 freaking delicious. >> that's it for us. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >>> knowingly wrong and out of date. that describes the intelligence give p as talking points to government officials days after the attack in libya. is there any way this could add up? mike rogers is "outfront"...
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the youth vote a big part of president obama's drive in 2008. will this impact the race for the white house? bringing in former communications director for illinois congressman and former speaker of the house. a a member of the democratic national committee and former chair of al gore's campaign during the 2000 election. hello pwoflgt you. we are standing by for -- remarks from congressman paul ryan when that comes in we go to that and then get back us to. this topic, the romney campaign numbers we are talking about. should the numbers indicate cause for president obama's camp in celebration for the romney campaign or should that needle fall in the middle? why does it seem that the young voters seem to be disgauged this time? debbie? >> actually f you dig into the study , you will find the place for most concern is in the governor romney champ. it -- camp. it shows he's very unpopular with young people and moderate republicans are becoming very dis-- disingauged. the obama camp knows it has to win in getting people to vote, voter registration is
the youth vote a big part of president obama's drive in 2008. will this impact the race for the white house? bringing in former communications director for illinois congressman and former speaker of the house. a a member of the democratic national committee and former chair of al gore's campaign during the 2000 election. hello pwoflgt you. we are standing by for -- remarks from congressman paul ryan when that comes in we go to that and then get back us to. this topic, the romney campaign...
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. >> i voted for barack obama. >> barack obama in 2008. >> i had huge hopes. but you know what, i got burned in 2008. >> the trillions and trillions of dollars of deficits. >> this time. >> this year. >> i've changed. >> i'm changing my vote. >> i changed my mind. >> to mitt romney and paul ryan. >> to romney and ryan. >> to mitt romney and paul ryan. they have plans and ideas that i believe will work. >> greta: joining us our political panel, rick klein, michael crawley, and justin sink. rick? >> find me a voter for voted for mccain four years ago and now says obama. it's a small segment of the population. this is the kind of message. it's an invitation to the former obama voters, the one-time obama voters who may be supporting him right now, on the fence right now, to say join us on the other side, you don't have to hate the guy, that he's the wrong direction for the country, we're giving up on him, moving the other direction. it's a powerful message, something the romney campaign would have liked to tap into a few months ago. >> greta: michael? >> how are t
. >> i voted for barack obama. >> barack obama in 2008. >> i had huge hopes. but you know what, i got burned in 2008. >> the trillions and trillions of dollars of deficits. >> this time. >> this year. >> i've changed. >> i'm changing my vote. >> i changed my mind. >> to mitt romney and paul ryan. >> to romney and ryan. >> to mitt romney and paul ryan. they have plans and ideas that i believe will work. >> greta:...
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that's echoed by president obama's allies in the media. when you don't have the romney campaign's response robustly. for example, president obama has been running ads claiming that mitt romney's going to race taxes on the middle class. now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of a assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle class tax increase. there are a loft credible folks saying something else. it's a fact he's going to raise middle class tax. >> the obama campaign, david plouffe is a chris christie of the campaign saying their campaign is built on a tripod of lies and the president has said sometimes they just make things up. >> last i checked, isn't this called politics? you have lying all the time in politics. it is our responsibility to call folks out on it. on my tv 1 show, i have a segment called the biggest damn lie. >> that's got to be a very tough line to dra
that's echoed by president obama's allies in the media. when you don't have the romney campaign's response robustly. for example, president obama has been running ads claiming that mitt romney's going to race taxes on the middle class. now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of a assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle...
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the obama ticket is actually outperforming them in those states. they've held about 29 events in that period compared to about 24 for the republicans. so, while there's a lot of calls for romney and paul ryan to be hitting the trail a little bit more, and to be doing a little bit less fund-raising, you're seeing exactly the opposite happening on the ground. so mitt romney spent yesterday in pennsylvania. that was not exactly a battleground state. they're not even running ads there right now. so it's a little bit of a head scratcher when you take a look at where they're spending their time. how they expect to pull this thing out. >> you know what's interesting about this, too, aimee is the president's came totally lowering expectations on the debate front. is there a theme, a general theme being struck by the president's team on all this? and how much debate prep is the president actually doing, given it's been a pretty busy cycle for him in terms of running things from 1600 pennsylvania avenue? >> well, yeah, they're saying he hasn't really had tim
the obama ticket is actually outperforming them in those states. they've held about 29 events in that period compared to about 24 for the republicans. so, while there's a lot of calls for romney and paul ryan to be hitting the trail a little bit more, and to be doing a little bit less fund-raising, you're seeing exactly the opposite happening on the ground. so mitt romney spent yesterday in pennsylvania. that was not exactly a battleground state. they're not even running ads there right now. so...
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nor will president obama. the moment you do, have you opened the door for your opponent. >> you have to look in the mirror, it's an ugly picture. >> the responsibility is going to rest on the debate mod rater who is not going to do it. >> what people are saying is, can i get somebody to tell me the truth? i will say this here. you can parse words all you want to. there are some things called undeniable truth. no matter how you want to dance around it, there are some things that are very clear. some things are true, some things are false. >> there's also such a thing as throwing things against the wall and that is what the obama campaign has been effective at doing and the romney campaign hasn't been effective at doing that. >> the romney campaign, they have been -- i can show you the proof. go to our website. we have all the time. again, you have campaigns -- >> check up on after the fact. >> no, no. that's my point. you said earlier -- >> you want to call. >> you said don't fact check during the debate. i sid
nor will president obama. the moment you do, have you opened the door for your opponent. >> you have to look in the mirror, it's an ugly picture. >> the responsibility is going to rest on the debate mod rater who is not going to do it. >> what people are saying is, can i get somebody to tell me the truth? i will say this here. you can parse words all you want to. there are some things called undeniable truth. no matter how you want to dance around it, there are some things...
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four murders of americans in libya were planned, but for days the obama administration labeled the terror attack spontaneous. now one of the most powerful house members says someone has unwelcome visit. we begin with a high ranking lawmaker calling for the resignation of u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice. this is all over the way the white house responded to the deatdeaths of those four americs killed at our u.s. consulate in libya. fresh fallout tonight. congressman peter king, republican from new york, heads the powerful house homeland security committee, saying rice must step down because the account she gave in the days and hours following the attack was plain wrong. here he is earlier today on fox. >> either ambassador was deliberately misleading the american people or she showed and demonstrated such a lack of mr. king says several people with the administration. so did the intelligence change, then, days after the attack, or what? >> well, as you said, fox news has sources that say intelligence officials knew within a day, one day, that it was a terror attack. a spo
four murders of americans in libya were planned, but for days the obama administration labeled the terror attack spontaneous. now one of the most powerful house members says someone has unwelcome visit. we begin with a high ranking lawmaker calling for the resignation of u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice. this is all over the way the white house responded to the deatdeaths of those four americs killed at our u.s. consulate in libya. fresh fallout tonight. congressman peter king,...
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right now, a place like iowa, suddenly obama is up by 8 ohio, obama is up and virginia it is getting difficult to imagine how romney progresses and makes the case that he could win. that is a problem you hear from the republicans. >> chris: bill, in the interesting tough session with univision. president obama was asked what is the big lesson. he said you can't change washington from the inside and you have to change from the outside and if he is reelected he will have more of a conversation with the american people, is that the right take away. >> i don't think it is. and i think the rumny campaign should focus. if it is it the last four years, that was a muddy verdict bush how horrible was it four years ago. he has to make a choice about the next four years and explain what obama would do that would be bad for the country and what he would do to be good. gibbses is a good spokes man the and you talk about the policy stuff and he did fine. no one is going to change his mind. but the point he was rattled. foreign policy. foreign policy. it is in the head lines and romney needs to mak
right now, a place like iowa, suddenly obama is up by 8 ohio, obama is up and virginia it is getting difficult to imagine how romney progresses and makes the case that he could win. that is a problem you hear from the republicans. >> chris: bill, in the interesting tough session with univision. president obama was asked what is the big lesson. he said you can't change washington from the inside and you have to change from the outside and if he is reelected he will have more of a...
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barak obama gets up every day thinking about barak obama. they're very different approaches to life. i think those of us who are his critics need to get over it and understand, this is who is president. this is a man who in the age of false celebritihood is sort of the perfect president because he's a false president. he's a guy who doesn't do the president's job. he's had 39% of the briefings on intelligence. he goes to las vegas while there is an attack in benghazi. >> steve: yeah. remember during the campaign four years ago, it was -- the question was, who is ready to take that 3:00 o'clock in the morning phone call? hillary clinton winds up taking a lot of them because she's the secretary of state. >> gretchen: ironically, that was her ad against president obama during the democratic primary when many people thought she would be the nominee for president. >> brian: the most effective ad in 2008 was when they cat gorized president obama as a celebrity. remember, that's when newt gingrich is saying there. >> gretchen: fox news alert for yo
barak obama gets up every day thinking about barak obama. they're very different approaches to life. i think those of us who are his critics need to get over it and understand, this is who is president. this is a man who in the age of false celebritihood is sort of the perfect president because he's a false president. he's a guy who doesn't do the president's job. he's had 39% of the briefings on intelligence. he goes to las vegas while there is an attack in benghazi. >> steve: yeah....